![]() ![]() Pictures seem to confirm this, at least with some optics: Samson Scout Rail with Optic Attached If I'm wrong. I call that "problematic" compared to using a QD mount on the Pic rail surface. However, instead of a fairly fast QD mount, the user will need to use a specific Allen head wrench to remove the optic in order to use the OEM iron sights " comfortably" as Samson puts it in their video. So, I was wrong about needing to detach the Samson mount entirely in order to attach/detach the optic. This Youtube vid received by virtue of a request from me to Samson was received a few minutes ago: Samson Youtube Vid I was wrong in that the Samson "pad" holes are tapped, indicating that the optic is mounted from the top. That means to attach an optic to the pad, or to detach it, the entire Samson rail must be detached from the rifle in order to gain access to the screw-heads. I've made clear in a number of recent posts that I've not yet had a chance to handle a Samson mount.Īs far as I can see, the screws attaching at least some optics to the "pad" have their screw heads on the underside of the pad. View QuoteThat statement was true before the recently introduced Samson mount appeared. With a 10 round mag, it becomes a viable alternative to the SKS, albeit you can still get two SKSs for the price of one Mini.I have installed a stripper clip unit onto my 186 series Mini with no issues. I knew there was a stripper clip guide for the Mini-14, but didn't realize they had one for the 30. It appears the Samson rail is about as "low" as the Ultimak, and this "lowness" is extremely important when mounting optics, especially forward optics. ![]() Originally Posted By raf: I have only seen pix of the Samson rail, but I have used the Ultimak rail. Just for eye candy, a Trio of Mini-30s With Ultimak Rail and RDSs Plenty of folks have used conventional rails and optics on their Minis, so it certainly can be done. Just mentioning some points in the event they are of interest to you. You may not share these concerns, and after all, it's your rifle. Some points of concern about using an over-the-action rail and a conventional optic are that:ġ) There may be problems with ctg ejection, andĢ) The over-the-action rail precludes the possibility of installing a receiver-mounted stripper clip guide ( Cogburn Arsenal Stripper Clip Guides), andģ) The over-the-action rail and optic almost always require the use of a cheek-riser, which should also be Quick-Detach in case of reverting to iron sights, andĤ) The over-the-action rail makes removal of the bolt for cleaning/servicing significantly more difficult. Many experienced users seem to have gravitated, by dint of much experimentation, to use of the Ultimak rail and some sort of RDS using a QD mount. The "footpad" on the Samson rail may allow mounting of some very small and low optics, but quickly dismounting such "footpad" attached optics might be problematic.ĭepending on the optic chosen, the rail chosen, the iron sights on the rifle, and the position of the optic on the rifle, it may, or may not be possible to obtain iron sight co-witness through the optic on the Mini-14/30 platform., hence the concern about quickly and easily dismounting the optic should the need arise. One point to consider is how easy/quick is it to remove the optic should it fail for some reason. I have only seen pix of the Samson rail, but I have used the Ultimak rail.
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